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Saturday, December 16, 2006

if you like COLD & WINTRY weather in the Eastern US; 0z runs are a disaster

well taking a look at the 00z Models there really is only one term to describe the medium-range models in the overnight period-- and If you love winter weather and cold that term is DISASTER.

So complete is the model reversal from the data on Friday that the East Coast stays warm right to Christmas. Keep in mind that the 12z Thursday and 0z Friday runs was showing this Low coming out of the Southwest tracking across Southeastern states and then to Virginia. The trends started to shift the track of the SW Low yesterday on the 12z runs... and now the 0z Saturday runs have continued the trend... taking this system well west of Chicago!!! That is a huge shift in the models in just a 24 -36 hr hour period!! And even though the event for the 12/22-23 is still 6-7 days out is remarkable to see that sort of massive shift in the medium-range models in such a short period of time.

The question is of course.. is such a shift correct? One of the rules are using medium-range forecasting is the rule of Model consensus. At this point in time and skill here in the early 21st century weather Models are of such high quality that when you see a massive shift like this in ALL or Many of the models -- be it SR or MR --on a particular run cycle ...such as 0z or 12z.. nine times out of 10 it usually means that the medium-range models are correct.

What has changed... that IS obviosuly the BIG question? Well several things . To begin with if you go back and looks at the MR runs from earlier this week you'd see some sort of Ridging developing over Greenland for next week and while it would not really constitute a classic - NAO the 5H rise over Greenland that the models were depicting would force the system in the Southwest tract further to the south and east keep in the lower latitude. Now None of the 0z models are showing that sort of Ridging now over Greenland.

Second many of the MR models from mid week shwed SOME sort Ridging developing over western Canada... yet if we look at most of the medium-range models at 0z we ee that there is no hint of that on the 0z runs through Day 10. And the 0z CMC and GFS ensembels are not much better.

In my view the prospect that the 0z Models are all wrong is NOT very good. We still have a time to hope that the models might shift back but if they haven't done so by Sunday the threat of ANY event for the East coast be it rain or snow... Is over. Moreover if we have not seen a shift back to the type or pattern we are seeing on Wednesday Thursday and Friday then the prospects of that the last week of the DEC would be even seasonally cold are greatly diminished as well.

Interestingly if one or to take a look at the SSTA the large bubble is very warm air located off a Southeastern Canada in and around Newfoundland has now completely collapsed.
SSTA map 0z 12/15
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html

SSTA 0z 11/18
http://weather.unisys.com/archive/sst/sst_anom-061119.gif

This could as significant implications because when that pool very warm was in the Davis straits in late Septmber & October THAT is when we had the sustained - NAO over Greenland. Later when this pool of very warm SSTA moved South into and around Newfoundland... that is when the -NAO collapsed and we moved into the sustained phase of +NAO patterns.

Now however it appears from this data that we going to another change in the SSTAs in and around Southeastern Canada and in the far NW Atlanric. What exactly this means or whether not the pool very warm water in and around Southeastern Canada might re develop is hard to say. But if it does not this development -- and breaking down of the pool very warm water around Southeastern Canada could have significant implications down the road.

27 Comments:

  • At 1:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I diasagree on your assessment about the NAO. The SST's are collapsing on their own. Nothing that the SST's did are to be blamed for the NAO reversal. The pattern ultimately determines the phase of the NAO and SST's can either be favorable to sustain it or the opposite. Though I do agree with the rest of your post and I certainly hope the models go back.

     
  • At 3:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    An ugly, ugly turn. WTF happened to the +PNA? What seemed to be a fairly normal promising winter with some potential..has turned into week after week of warmth. What a disaster.

    The signs are there..if we look..This winter is not going to do much at all. Maybe we have a 2 or 3 week stretch in Feb...Other than that...it's time to pull the plug on even a normal winter.

     
  • At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    An ugly, ugly turn. WTF happened to the +PNA? What seemed to be a fairly normal promising winter with some potential..has turned into week after week of warmth. What a disaster.

    The signs are there..if we look..This winter is not going to do much at all. Maybe we have a 2 or 3 week stretch in Feb...Other than that...it's time to pull the plug on even a normal winter.

     
  • At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    An ugly, ugly turn. WTF happened to the +PNA? What seemed to be a fairly normal promising winter with some potential..has turned into week after week of warmth. What a disaster.

    The signs are there..if we look..This winter is not going to do much at all. Maybe we have a 2 or 3 week stretch in Feb...Other than that...it's time to pull the plug on even a normal winter.

     
  • At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    An ugly, ugly turn. WTF happened to the +PNA? What seemed to be a fairly normal promising winter with some potential..has turned into week after week of warmth. What a disaster.

    The signs are there..if we look..This winter is not going to do much at all. Maybe we have a 2 or 3 week stretch in Feb...Other than that...it's time to pull the plug on even a normal winter.

     
  • At 3:15 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    An ugly, ugly turn. WTF happened to the +PNA? What seemed to be a fairly normal promising winter with some potential..has turned into week after week of warmth. What a disaster.

    The signs are there..if we look..This winter is not going to do much at all. Maybe we have a 2 or 3 week stretch in Feb...Other than that...it's time to pull the plug on even a normal winter.

     
  • At 8:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Uggh, not good news for early winter lovers huh? I guess we should start pinning our hopes on the last half of January and February. I'll stay positive but so far not so good.

     
  • At 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I read with great interest and enjoyment your comments and forcasts. I sure wish you would comment a little more on the effects on the midwest--St. Louis area. Can't afford your service, but I recommend you a lot. I'm a farmer, and have always been facinated with the weather.

     
  • At 10:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    DT-

    Been checking out your blog. Good stuff, guy. Please keep it up. Thanks!

     
  • At 11:06 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    On a humorous note this Sunday. Looks like the Eastern weather board is down and having major issues this morning. The weenies must be committing internet suicide en masse over this warm, miserable pattern.

     
  • At 11:23 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    We will wait for a pattern change sometime in January. I'm thinking around the 13th. In recent winters we've seen stubborm mild patterns collapse and result in about two weeks of bonafide winter. This should be our expectation this winter. What is hampering this winter is a heightened global signal of warmth which is why it will be nothing like the moderate el nino winter of 77-78.

     
  • At 12:48 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    When will you be issuing your revised warmer winter forecast?

     
  • At 12:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Should we be expecting you to congratulate Chuck and Brian on their record warm December forecasts...and also apologize to Brian for berating him in that thread at Weenietown? The cold is never coming.

     
  • At 2:24 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    So much for peat and his brother repeat...EH????

     
  • At 4:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    i am losing hope for this winter very fast. not looking good for snow lovers.

    jpl from long island

     
  • At 4:57 PM, Blogger DT said…

    On a humorous note this Sunday. Looks like the Eastern weather board is down and having major issues this morning.

    maybe they should Cahnge their name to weeniesRus where JI contines to troll Mets who have never done anything but been polite and kind... and the mods protect him

     
  • At 5:08 PM, Blogger DT said…

    When will you be issuing your revised warmer winter forecast?

    I issue 1 Mid winter update and 1 Mid Summer update /... thats it. You are not fooling anyone with your weenie stupid reverse psychology tricks


    So much for peat and his brother repeat...EH????


    Yes I was wrong.


    Should we be expecting you to congratulate Chuck and Brian on their record warm December forecasts...and also apologize to Brian for berating him in that thread at Weenietown? The cold is never coming.

    yes I will shortly. They are correct and I busted.

     
  • At 6:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    RAY- DT, you may be crude, and very caustic, but at least you have the balls to admit when ur wrong, everyone busts some time, even the greatest. I'm sure you will rebound.

     
  • At 11:33 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    EL BUSTO.

     
  • At 12:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Looks like the GFS has done a "GW Bush" and Flip flopped again.
    Now showing heavy precip (snow) Tennessee/Ohio valley and Mid Atlantic...if I'm reading the SOB right.
    384hr on 12/18.
    Bust our mouth with some snow damnit.

     
  • At 1:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    RAY- DT, I'm quite sure that you have noticed the slight hit that el Nino took this week (1.4 to 1.3), fluctuation or peak? I am thinking the former since the SOI is tanking again, but it should not be too far from the peak, probably by the New Year. Ur thoughts??

     
  • At 2:02 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    you know it's ugly when JB starts hyping...the WARMTH!

     
  • At 2:42 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    I wouldn't say DT has busted just yet.
    Don't Kow Tow too soon DT!!!

     
  • At 3:18 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    some of those "Colder than consensus forecasts" may be a disaster.

     
  • At 5:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Latest SSTa for 3.4 from BOM is now +1.17 C FYI

     
  • At 7:47 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    Jesus--

    I bitched at Eastern about the constant trolling of mets and the granting of kudos on a successful winter forecast 18 days into winter but it extends even beyond the Eastern forum.

    There's a lot of winter to go.

    And, something many weenies don't seem to understand--even if Chuck's winter forecast of the warmest CONUS winter verifies (which it may), what's the big deal? Of his three analogs, one was 82-83 (which featured a very nice KU storm for the Eastern seaboard).

     
  • At 2:04 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said…

    you weenies that are rubbing it in, get a life!!! the idea is to get a forcast, it's like playing poker, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. I'll bet with the guy that wins most often. Keep at it DT

     

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